As the Flintstones sang…*

IRIS Robinson MP’s adviser, Dr Paul Miller, has resigned over the whole “homosexuality can be cured” thing.

Absurd though the very idea sounds, it has some support, particularly in the evangelical Christian community. I recall years ago having an argument with a friend (who was a girl, but not my girlfriend, just for the record) who had decided to go out with a gay Christian bloke who had taken part in a course for “converting” gay men to straight ones. This friend insisted her boyfriend was now straight, but that even if he was unfaithful to her, provided it was with a man and not a woman, then she wouldn’t count that as a betrayal (because gay sex wasn’t “proper”. presumably).

But homosexuality isn’t a mental condition and you can’t change someone’s orientation through therapy, I told her. I added: “Now, Tories, that’s a different matter…” (I didn’t actually say that bit).

For some Christians, the issue goes to the heart of their faith: if the Bible says homosexuality is sinful (and I’m not going to get into that one here), then surely a righteous God must have given us a choice as to whether or not to be gay? So being gay is a lifestyle choice, right? Er, wrong.

Nevertheless, Iris is accountable to her constituents in Strangford and it’s up to them to decide whether or not her comments about homosexuality are acceptable to them. Attempts to persuade the prime minister to reprimand her were never going to be successful; the fact is, individuals – including MPs – have the right to hold, and express, offensive opinions (otherwise this blog would have had it…).

* “When you’re with the Flintstones
you’ll have a yabba dabba doo time.
A dabba doo time.
You’ll have a gay old time.”

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12 responses to “As the Flintstones sang…*

  1. For those interested in the changing use of gay, how about: http://www.btinternet.com/~warship/Postwar/Patrol/gay.htm.

    Anyone know when the accepted meaning changed? Certainly Jules and Sandy didn’t use it,

  2. Don’t spose you’re old enuf to recall the people who claimed that left-handedness could similarly “be cured”

  3. Johnny Norfolk

    If thats what she believes is it a problem. Why is it that labour people cannot stand people to have a different point of view to theirs. I respect other people views even if I think they are wrong. Labour cannot do this. They want to control everything including what you think. Just like Hitler and Stalin. Labour should be more tolerant of other views.

  4. Hard though it may be for you to believe this, Johnny, but I wanted to prevent my friend from being hurt (as she inevitably was). I’m not presenting a Labour Party view on this post, just a personal one.

    “Why is it that labour people cannot stand people to have a different point of view to theirs. I respect other people views even if I think they are wrong.” It take it you’re being ironic, Johnny? Why is my advice to a friend trying to control others’ opinions, whereas your frothing at the mouth at every opinion I write about is simply “respecting” my views?

  5. John

    Petitioning the PM does indeed seem to be a waste of time. I doubt he ever bothered to read the petition because n0.10 have responded by saying(quite correctly) that it is unconstitutional to ask the PM to reprimand any MP in the Commons. She is entitled to hold these views. But he should at least make some kind of press statement in support of the LGBT community – he has hardly ever voted for gay rights choosing to be absent from the commons on all the important issues such as the civil partnership bill…However Gordon Brown is very cosy with the DUP these days, ever since they saved Labours bacon by siding with him on the 42-day detention fiasco. In return for what we wonder? Well apart from continuing to allow Iris/DUP to spout such bigoted views, he is in return going to oppose the amendment to the Human Fertilisation and Embryology bill. This will prove that labour are anti-womens rights in N.Ireland (where abortion is not in line with the rest of the UK, in fact it is still illegal here). This is a uncomfortable and dangerous place for the PM to be.Shame on you Mr.Brown and the rest of your regressive Labour MPs…

  6. I had hoped that we’d heard the last of this.

    Why does it seem “absurd” that homosexuality can be cured? Heterosexuals have become homosexual and vice versa.

    It’s amazing what humanity is capable of when we are not stuck in a box and a label smacked on it.

    Tom said: “For some Christians*, the issue goes to the heart of their faith: if the Bible says homosexuality is sinful (and I’m not going to get into that one here**), then surely a righteous God must have given us a choice as to whether or not to be gay***? So being gay is a lifestyle choice, right? Er, wrong.”

    * ALL Christians must comply with Genesis – Eve was formed from Adam’s rib, which is the reason that “a man [shall] leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. (Gen 2:24)

    The Saviour repeated this when He said in Matthew 19:

    ” 4…Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

    5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

    6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.”

    ** Why? You say you’re a Christian. Homosexual acts are sinful and you should not be ashamed to say it. Go on, tell the truth. It would drive more traffic to your blog like your famous entry a couple of months ago.

    I know the Party line is to make sure that everyone is to love ‘alternative’ lifestyles, but some of us still know right from wrong and politicians should be helping to show the way, not leading us into a Sodom and Gomorrah situation.

    *** No, the Almighty has given us freewill to either succumb to lustful desires or to resist temptation, which sometimes is only possible with His protection.

    I was an alcoholic for a whole decade – probably partly genetic. Should I have said, I’m an alcoholic – God made me that way, therefore I must carry on drinking myself into an early grave?

    We are living in such a sex-obsessed world that some people can no longer see that certain behaviour is morally wrong and dangerous and think we should be celebrating with them.

    Sorry, I’m not joining the party.

    Political Correctness is being zealously implemented as if by a totalitarian regime. In many areas, PC has overturned millennia of sound practices that benefited all of society. We can clearly see the cost of this in terms of family breakdown, antisocial behaviour, depression and so on.

    I think certain people with their own agenda like to give the illusion that we now live in some enlightened Utopia. Look around – we don’t.

    I insist that for homosexual activity to have been accepted so quickly in Western ‘civilisation’, a massive conditioning process and backdoor politics must have taken place.

    This article (pdf) from twenty years ago sets out the agenda for transforming Americans’ views on homosexuality.

    On the home front, this article from a few months back shows what a pushover Tony Blair was in implementing the homosexual agenda in the UK:

    Tony Blair did Stonewall’s bidding says Ian McKellen

    “Speaking at Stonewall’s annual ‘Equality Dinner’ fundraiser, Sir Ian recalled meeting Tony Blair on behalf of Stonewall three months before his election as Prime Minister.

    “I reeled off Stonewall’s demands, and he nodded, wrote them down and put a tick by them all. Then he said we will do all that,” he said.”

    The world is meant to believe that Tony Blair is a great Catholic neophyte and bringer of peace and understanding to the Middle East.

    The astonishing hypocrisy of the peace element is another matter, but on the Catholic theme, Blair ensured during his decade of decadence-promotion that:

    #1 – 16 year olds were legally allowed to engage in homosexual behaviour. In fact it would be ‘legal’ for an older person like myself to bugger a 16 year old boy if a) I was so inclined and b) I could persuade him it was OK to give it a go (and you know naive most 16 year olds are).

    #2 – Section 28 was abolished, thus opening the way for primary school children to be brainwashed with pro-homosexual propaganda (which we were promised would not happen).

    #3 – Catholic adoption agencies would have to choose between placing children with homosexuals or closing down.

    #4 – Hate laws were put in place to try to silence criticism of ‘alternative’ sexual arrangements. This has reached a sort of half-way house where nobody is quite sure what they are allowed to say.

    #5 – Employment laws discriminate against employers, e.g. the C of E had to pay £47,000 compensation to an openly homosexual gentleman who was turned down for a job as a church youth worker. I am not saying this particular man would have done this, but consider #1. (It is well known that teenagers are groomed for homosexual sex and so it would seem that ‘equality’ laws can put youngsters in danger.)

    #6 – People have no right to exercise their conscience when it comes to providing goods and services, e.g. a printer asked to promote ‘gay pride’.

    #7 – The Family would be under further attack when ‘Civil Partnerships’ allowed homosexuals to be joined in a sort of unholy matrimony. The attacks were to intensify over homosexual adoption, #3, and IVF treatment.

    I believe that ‘divide and rule’ is also a prime reason for much of the new legislation.

    Like Nero blamed the Christians for destroying Rome by fire so that the general public would turn against them rather than the ruling elite (who probably caused it) – the same is going on today, but much more complex.

    In all matters and as my dad would say: tell the truth and shame the devil.

  7. Johnny Norfolk

    What i am trying to point out with a dry mouth is that most Labour supporters I used to meet, ( they are not easy to find now) are very intollerant of people who hold different views to them. this is refelected in the government and why labour is so unpopular you just dont want to stop and reflect. You keep the class war going and it has been bad for Britain. Its this narrow attitude that has caused Labour to make so many mistakes you just think you know best and you dont. Brown is as bad as it can be.

  8. I did check it out, Tom. I had expected the usual Leviticus comment from someone, but I didn’t think it would be from you.

    When people bring up Leviticus, I tell them that I’m not Jewish. I do suspect that you know that Christ fulfilled the law and are just being awkward to keep out of trouble with the high heid yins and well, most people in the Party.

    From the Sermon on the Mount:

    17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

    18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

    19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

    20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

    21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

    22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

    Christ showed us how we ought to live and love our fellow man. Encouraging ungodly behaviour is hating our fellow man and puts us in “in danger of hell fire” as well as them!

    I didn’t quote from Leviticus as it is not necessary to prove how the Almighty expects us to behave regarding the use of sex. Christ spelled it out re. marriage. Paul did too, re the abomination of homosexuality. The lessons from the sexual depravity of Sodom are clear.

    Nature makes it obvious as well what various body parts are designed for; by accepting homosexual behaviour as normal is to say that God got it wrong when he made us (in His own image).

    Is this not blasphemy?

    As for that West Wing clip. I wouldn’t expect the ‘entertainment’ business to promote morals and normal family life, would you?

    Did you read any of this article (pdf) about the tactics of some elements of the homosexual lobby using the media to condition the masses?

  9. Madasafish

    Well funnily enough I know some Christians and Christian Churches who openly accept people of all sexual persuasions.. It appears to follow Christ’s teachings about “loving one another”

    As for conevrting homosexuals back to straight, of course it happens. See Keynes for one.

    But really religions that focus on sexuality as a major issue when there are far worse problems eg drugtaking…

  10. Yes, Madasafish, I agree, we should accept all people in our churches, but that is different from accepting all behaviour.

    Sin is a major issue! It’s what separates us from the Divine. We are all sinners and that is why we need a Saviour.

  11. phattmatt

    Stewart

    I hope one of your children comes out to you and might come to see how rediculous you are. Much of your spoutings regarding what gay people are like are simply untrue. “It is well known that teenagers are groomed for homosexual sex “. I pity you and dread to think where you get this information from.

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