Marriage guidance, courtesy of HMG?

IMAGINE if the government announced it was going to offer marriage advice to couples intending to marry.

I can think of a few regular visitors to this site who would be barely able to contain their outrage. I can see the comments already: “NuLiebour control freakery… just like the smoking ban… abolishing civil liberties… what about the referendum on the Lisbon Treaty…”

Ah, but now that that nice Mr Gove has suggested that this is what a future Tory government will do, I wonder what the reaction will be?

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14 responses to “Marriage guidance, courtesy of HMG?

  1. The linked report says he also wants “to expand home visits for couples with newborn babies” – nanny state anyone?!

  2. Andrew F

    I suspect I must be an “abolishing civil liberties” visitor, since that sounds like the kind of phrase I would use. So, I should probably point out that I’m a card-carrying member of the Labour party, and that Cameron’s marriage-fetish makes me sick to the bone. He’s an evil little man playing up to the traditionalist values, with not even the semblance of caring about the poor people he hurts.

    Did you see Panorama yesterday? Dave-C was asked to justify why a married couple should be given more help by the taxation system than the single mother living next door to them – who is, realistically, likely to be more hard-up.

    He had no answer at all. He just shrugged his shoulders and said something like, “Well, some people may think it’s wrong, but I think it’s the right thing to do.” Scum.

    But it does sting more when the Labour party encroahes on my freedom. I expect it from the authoritarian, moralistic party. You’re supposed to tell them, loud and clear, where to get off.

    At any rate, I have a little affection for Gove: his social commentary – both in speeches andeditorials – often strikes a chord with me. Even some educational reforms are bearable. But when you start to look at his more… despostic leanings, he becomes a rather terrifying individual.

  3. John

    Labour would probably make it compulsory and make you pass a test, then charge you £25 every five years for the licence.

    But seriously, I was under the impression that Relate..or whatever they call themselves these days…offer this service now.
    The Conservatives do seem obsessed with putting couples in a specific family unit, as in married.

  4. Johnny Norfolk

    My first point to note is that your quote is from the BBC so it would have to be validated as the BBC will always try and show the Tories in a bad light and Labour in a good light. So I will try and find a full transcript before I make any comment. You cannot trust the BBC as they pick out bits to reflect their own leftie agenda.

  5. Zorro

    Advice is fine… What we’re fed up with is you telling us what to do and what not to do. Banning this, that and the other, inacting new laws to allow council officials to snoop on us, check up on our bedrooms etc. This proposal really does not suggest they will in any way tell people what to do, merely offer advice. That is fine.

    If only you lot stuck to ‘advising’ us to quit smoking and stopped telling us what we can do, and where, and when (How long ’till you try to stop us smoking in our own cars/houses, for the children, whether we have children or not?) then you might have a chance of not being completely wiped out at the next election.

    Plus at least it looks like the Tories intend to stop discriminating against married people in the way Gordon Brown has. Right now if a married couple is out of work and one wants to go back to work, they would likely LOSE money by starting work.. They would actually go to work and end up with LESS money than they get from the govt by staying on the couch in front of Jeremy Kyle. They would actually be WORSE off. That is just insane. It’s Gordon’s ‘client state’ in action, and it’s at the root of a lot of what is wrong with this country.

    Believe me Tom, the people of this country are ready for change. If we go into the next election with the Tories promising to cut taxes when they can, and repeal some of Labours authoritarian laws, they will wipe the bloody floor with you, it will be a bloodbath. That’s all it will take… Remember your joy in 97 when Portillo lost his seat? (which I should just point out I enjoyed also). That is /nothing/ compared to the joy we’re going to feel when most of the cabinet lose their seats in 2010.

  6. Zorro

    Your point about married couples ‘losing money’. Could you clarify how much of this comment is tied up in your clear understanding of the tax credits system (which was designed to help remedy the situation you raise by the Labour government because it was an error of the benefits system prior to ’97) and how much comes from a daily intake of Daily Mail editorials.

    Oh, and your point about voters ‘desire for change’. Polls do tell us this is the case however, what they have also told us is that many of those polled are ‘against’ the current government but at yet to be convinced to vote ‘for’ the Conservatives. Its not often I say this but you should listen to David Cameron, there is still a considerable mountain to climb before the ‘bloodbath’ that you so confidently predict.

  7. Martin Cullip

    Zorro has pre-empted what I clicked the ‘comments’ link to post. Exactly as I was going to say, there is a distinct difference between ‘offering’ advice and forcing it down our throats.

    John’s first para is perfect “Labour would probably make it compulsory and make you pass a test, then charge you £25 every five years for the licence.” 🙂

    Offering quit smoking services, for example, makes perfect sense … Sir (?) Liam Donaldson talking of ‘denormalising’ smokers is pure spite. Making NRT available on the NHS is a waste of money but if it helps someone then no problem … instructing GPs to badger and cajole smokers at every check up though and, in some cases, not even accepting them unless they submit to weeks of smoking cessation classes, is plain wrong in a so-called free society.

    If the Tories ‘offer’ advice and it is the couple’s choice whether to accept the offer or not, there isn’t a problem as far as I can see. The civil liberties argument would come into play if the Tories ever tried to make it compulsory … like Labour are fond of doing with a plethora of daft initiatives.

  8. Martin Cullip

    … and Zorro, “How long ’till you try to stop us smoking in our own cars/houses, for the children, whether we have children or not”, this was part of the DoH consultation document that concluded on September 8th (you know, the one where the Government asked Government funded smokefree NGOs to show support for the Government) … coming to a statute book near you soon. 😉

  9. Zorro and Martin Cullip have saved me typing time. Thank you gentlemen.

    Tom: “IMAGINE if the government announced it was going to offer marriage advice to couples intending to marry.”

    I cannot imagine that at all. HMG has been promoting everything but marriage.

    Schoolchildren are being increasingly coerced into sexual activity via so-called education that emanates from ‘advisors’ in the ‘sexual health’ industry.

    HMG is busy denormalising proper family relations, denormalising Christianity and denormalising communities through causing division (under the pretext of equality, diversity, health and safety & multiculturalism).

    Why?

    As you pointed out, Tom,

    “NuLiebour control freakery… just like the smoking ban… abolishing civil liberties… what about the referendum on the Lisbon Treaty…”

    Weaken the family, the churches and local communities and you have created a gelded people to lord over.

  10. What Michael Gove actually was saying was:

    “One of the things we are particularly keen to do is to expand the system of health visitors. Health visitors are almost one of the friendliest faces of the state.
    …..when couples started a relationship and made the decision to bring up children they should not have to feel they were ‘on their own’.

    What’s wrong with that, young Tom?

  11. Absolutely nothing, Diablo – that’s my point. Had Labour suggested exactly the same thing, people like you would be jumping up and down with outrage. But because it’s been suggested by the Tories, you reckon it’s fine. Point proved.

  12. Tom: “Had Labour suggested exactly the same thing, people like you would be jumping up and down with outrage.”

    Maybe so, but only because New Labour’s track record of gross interference and social engineering would make us instantly and understandably suspicious.

    You were saying…

  13. I simply wouldn’t trust the current government to introduce something like this without attempting to introduce all sorts of agendas and impositions (they might even have an exam at the end of it!); the Conservatives are more likely not to interfere, since the philosophy is more individualist.

    I can’t imagine a course introduced by the current administration that would not attempt to insist on everything from sex education to equality of different family structures being shoehorned in.

    The key is flexibility, and drawing on local resources. In my neck of the woods, the local church has been running 6-8 week courses for pending married couples including a day or a weekend away – and it is all about the nitty gritty of sustaining a relationship over decades, lead by couples who have done it for 30+ years.

    That is probably 80% of the approach they need.

    Matt

  14. Sorry forgot to add – these local courses have been running since at least 1980.

    Matt

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