‘I’m going to f***ing get Quick this time’

ASIDE from the rather blatant and inexcusable split infinitive, the quote above is notable for the fact that it emanated from a “well placed” Tory following the arrest of Damian Green, according to Nicholas Watt at The Guardian.

Dominic “Putting the legal profession first” Grieve has apparently accepted Quick’s apology for being beastly to the Tories yesterday. But what does”accepted” mean? That’s right – it means “I will expect your resignation letter on my desk the day I become Home Secretary”.

Apparently Quick got on the Tories’ bad side by sharing the view of the majority of the British public that proposals to introduce 42 days’ detention before charge should have gone through. Such independence is frowned upon by Tory high command. He probably didn’t even go to the right school, either.

And as Boris has shown, the Tories are not above sacking senior police officers out of spite, not to mention for party political advantage.

So, answers on a postcard, please: Who is the “well-placed Tory” who was in such a rage at Bob Quick that he couldn’t even bring himself to open Fowler’s Modern English Usage?

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33 responses to “‘I’m going to f***ing get Quick this time’

  1. If he’d opened Fowler he’d have discovered quite a relaxed attitude to split infinitives, so perhaps he did consult it in advance.

  2. Yeah, well Fowler’s an appeaser then…

  3. Keldorne

    I suspect that Boris’s decision to “sack” Mr. Blair was not so much an act of political spite as it was a recognition of the fact that the man had lost the confidence of most Londoners. To be honest, I don’t blame him (much) for the Menezes case, although his subsequent handling of the aftermath left something to be desired. However, his perceived failure to take seriously the general background crime level in London, his mis-handling of contracts, his willingness to sacrifice others on the altar of the “diversity agenda” and his long history of on the record gaffes all undermined his ability to maintain the public’s trust. The previous Mayor or the Home Secretary should have acted to remove him far sooner, which would have denied Boris the opportunity for some (almost universally positive) media coverage.

    In many ways, Ian Blair reminds me of Dr. Rowan Williams. Both are clever, educated men, with a number of fine qualities, but whose reluctance to leave behind the comfort blanket of the ambiguous morality that was vogue in the late 90s has rendered them completely unsuited for their jobs at a time when a simpler and more muscular approach has been required.

    At any rate, while the polling has shown that the Conservatives have lost ground over the Damian Green issue, as it was an issue where the public failed to share their passions, Labour will find itself even more desperately damaged if it wishes to try to make a martyr figure out of Ian Blair. In both cases, the parties (Conservatives and Labour respectively), in the strictest sense, hold the moral high ground. But in both cases, they are also out of touch with the wider public sentiment.

  4. John

    “He probably didn’t even go to the right school, either.”

    *Groans*

    “And as Boris has shown, the Tories are not above sacking senior police officers out of spite, not to mention for party political advantage.”

    You may want to be careful before hurling that particular stone Tom. After all, the much hyped “independant” Bank of England monetary policy comittee is frequently subject to “changes in target”, and dissenters are not reappointed. People in glass houses and all that….

    BTW, after the way Bob Quick has behaved if I were a Tory i’d be gunning for him too! Just wondering though Tom, but has anyone from CCHQ done anything especially to you of late? I ask because your recent attacks on the tories are lamer and easier to see through than usual? Just saying…..

  5. Bob Jones

    Well if The Grauniad says it, it must be true!

    I’m pretty sure, although not certain, polls turned against 42 days & ID Cards. So maybe they weren’t following the public will. As for Tories caring what he thinks, who knows, it’s not right that the Police are a political unit of the Labour party and support whatever headline they want to cook up for the Daily Mail whether it will protect us or not. And, we should remember, people always want more power … police officers are human, they are susceptible to power-greed, we should expect and recognize that. They’re hardly ever going to say NO to new powers or new toys like those bug zapping things they’re going to tackling people with.

  6. YMT

    Its always easy to support a long detention period without trial when people see it as only “really” going to affect one particular ethnic group which the majority of the UK pop don’t belong to.

  7. I tend not to class suspected terrorists as an “ethnic group”

  8. Paul Williams

    Apparently Quick got on the Tories’ bad side by sharing the view of the majority of the British public that proposals to introduce 42 days’ detention before charge should have gone through.

    Can I point out the majority of British public agree with bringing back capital punishment, not being in the EU and political parties upholding manifesto promises.

    Seems public opinion only counts when it suits Labour eh?

  9. Stu

    My guess is that the tories have something to hide, hence the smokescreen. If not why was a statement not issued along the lines of ‘it would be wrong to pre judge the Police investigation, but we are confident Mr Green’s name will be cleared at the end of all this’.
    Even to a layman such as me, it is inexcusable for the home address of any senior Police Officer to be let slip into the public domain at any time, let alone given the current security situation, and I have to say if the newspaper concerned wasn’t tipped off by a Tory source then I’m Bugs Bunny, lets not forget the likes of Aitken and Archer

  10. Either which way the police are a busted force.

    Senior officers are now seen as compromised – in that the voters just don’t trust ’em no more.

    Time for a Royal Commission and some route and branch reform.

  11. Bob Jones

    Stu, the address was on the website of his wife’s company … it wouldn’t take Tories to find that. The pointless plod put his own safety at risk through sheer stupidity. Letting his wife run a business from his home when he apparently regards himself as some sort of target … the man is clearly a fool.

  12. Jimmy Sands

    Firstly, there is nothing wrong with Mrs. Quick running a business from her home. She iis certainly not the only officer’s spouse to do so. The Hitler on Sunday has made this out to be something sinister as part of a spiteful and personal attack on the wife of a man they have a vested interest in discrediting. The motive and the “newspaper” are clearly Tory. Where Quick was wrong was to accuse the Party itself of involvement. I don’t believe that the Party itself initiated the smear, although I’m bound to say they’ve done nothing to dissociate themselves from it either.

  13. Johnny Norfolk

    Mr Quick has shown he is not up to the job by the way he is behaving. His actions have caused all this no one else is to blame but himself. He represents all that is wrong with the Met.

  14. Chris' Wills

    Perhaps Mr Watt might name the person, hardly convincing, especially give the nature of the guardings political bias.

    Hearsay and innuendo is not admissible as evidence. Mr Watt should put up or shut up.

    Splitting infinitives is poor form of course, however, perhaps the expletive is intended to add emphasise to the ‘get’ rather than anything to do with Quick.

  15. Ben

    The only thing worse than a pedant is an ill-informed pedant. There’s little wrong with splitting an infinitive, as a majority of language guides will tell you. Not everything your secondary school teacher told you sis true.

  16. Pendolino Warrior

    For those who have skim read, please re-read Chris Wills last para. Brilliant!

  17. richard

    “Get Quick”, a sequel to “Get Smart” in which an inept Clouseau-esque policeman stumbles around attempting to solve crimes.

  18. ani

    Further interesting facts about this on MaGuire’s blog, including Grieve suggesting that it may not be appropriate for Quick to continue the inquiry into Green, and that he, Quick, is deluded?
    So there you go then, that abusive Tory catch all word ‘deluded’ which explains it all.

    Also, what’s all this about sacking Coulson? More bullying, and this time brought embarrassingly to court, so Cameron will be glad to escape to the in-laws stately home for Christmas, despite pretending he’s one of us and doing the cut price shopping at Woolies.
    You do just wonder why he isn’t up front about his connections and shop in top emporiums like Harrod’s and Smythson which would be in keeping with his status instead of pretending to be ordinary. It’s just more spin and hypocrisy like his summer holiday.
    Saying one thing and doing another – who used to say that….?

    Still, I suppose it’s convenient for him to be hiding away in the country with the press shamefully dismissed for a few days, in that there’ll be no awkward questions about the shadow front bench refusing to give up their outside interests, or what were amusingly described as ‘dictatorships’ (directorships) this morning. Talk about a Freudian slip.

  19. richard

    @ ani – re: refusing to give up their directorships. Yes, what we need is a government wholly composed of career politicians with limited experience of the world outside Westminster.

    Most of the current cabinet have never run anything larger than a whelk stall, let alone a major company and yet they’re expected to lead government departments with tens of thousands of employees.

    Who would you rather have running the Welsh Office, someone with experience as CEO of a blue-chip corporation or someone who spent 2 years as a university lecturer?

  20. Zorro

    Richard, silly question, if you read Ani’s posts it’s obvious he’d prefer someone who’d never so much as run a whelk stall bein in charge of everything…

    “Further interesting facts about this on MaGuire’s blog, including Grieve suggesting that it may not be appropriate for Quick to continue the inquiry into Green”

    Ani, it’s obvious to anyone with the slightest grasp of the law that Quick should stand down from that investigation. He’s shown political bias of the highest order and has rendered himself unsuitable FOR THIS JOB. I’m not saying he should resign but he cannot now in all seriousness continue with this investigation. Because, he quite simply would find it impossible to charge Green with anything.

    “I have to say if the newspaper concerned wasn’t tipped off by a Tory source then I’m Bugs Bunny”

    Anything to back that up Stu? No I thought not. Still at least you’re not the one in charge of the investigation eh?, as that would be completely innapropriate!

    Z.

  21. Zorro – FYI, “ani” is a woman.

  22. ani

    Many Labour politicians have entered the HoC through their years of experience devoted to public service, as in running councils and being responsible for massive budgets and thousands of staff, or as recently demonstrated by the election of the latest MP for Glenrothes who was a headmaster, and has more understanding and is more representative of the man in the local pub, than a ‘CEO of a blue chip corporation’ like Mr. Ross (friend of Cameron) who has just sent his business t$ts up, and we await with interest other business men who have performed as well.

    It’s a no win situation for Tories, who’s outside interests might be tolerated if they worked for free, using their alleged valuable expertise to the advantage of charitable organisations for instance, but they’re just perceived as greedy blighters with their MP’s pay and allowances, considered generous by most of us, and their barely making a gesture unless it’s paid for. It’s a Tory running sore that the press enjoy exploiting, like Ashcroft.

    I love the example of Jimmy Saville, the TV personality and rich busy business man who gave his spare time; 2 days a week if I remember correctly, for free as a porter in his local hospital. A model of unselfishness that didn’t depend on a cheque, and an example that I’ve never heard any Tory emulate. So far.

    Here’s another illustration for you. My Tory MP holds two one hour surgeries per month – for nine months of the year. Big deal.

  23. richard

    @ ani – And yet the rise of the career politician seems almost inevitable. The counterbalance used to be that many Labour politicians had come from working-class backgrounds with knowledge of manufacturing, healthcare, public service, etc whereas many Conservative politicians had come from the Finance, the Law, Farming and Land-Management representing a cross-section of Society.

    Nowadays, it’s just as common for a senior politician to have come straight from a media role or (even worse) never having worked in any role outside politics. Forcing politicians to give up Directorships can only be detrimental. Yes, there are always likely to be conflicts but it must be in the best interests of the country that our senior politicians are able to see the real world effects of their decision-making processes.

  24. ani

    I may be wrong, and Tom will correct me if so, but I understood that some Labour MP’s and Ministers come from a finance, law and business background?
    Looks like we might have the whole job covered here Richard, though I’m not sure about farming and land management, but land owning is definitely a tick in the Tory box.

    Erm, well, there’s Shaun Woodward I suppose…

  25. ani

    “Ani, it’s obvious to anyone with the slightest grasp of the law that Quick should stand down from that investigation”

    You may have a point there Zorro.
    But if the Tories had accepted this investigation with some grace and composure, rather than that they had all been personally affronted, and rights and freedoms as we know them had all but been destroyed, and complaining so bitterly that even their most avid supporters considered their attitude OTT, vote losing and outrageous, and some of us interpreting that behaviour as nothing short of bullying….we might be in a different place today.
    If one was a conspiracy theorist, one might be thinking there was method in this Tory madness.

  26. ani

    Hey Richard, here’s one for you, and surprisingly, it looks like the Tory faithful agree with me.

    http://conservativehome.blogs.com/torydiary/2008/12/shadow-cabinet.html

  27. Tacitus

    Mildly OT, but a good example of the New Labour modus operandi.

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/columnists/fergus_shanahan/article2064021.ece

    THE posties have been busy in the Worcestershire town of Redditch, and it’s not just Christmas cards weighing down their sacks.

    Someone has been writing endless gushing letters to local papers saying what a brilliant and wonderful Home Secretary we have in Jacqui Smith, the local MP.

    The letters are signed by a Mr Richard Timney.

    But what Mr Timney fails to tell us in these glowing missives is that he is Jacqui Smith’s HUSBAND.

    And not only is he married to her, but every year he is drawing £40,000 of taxpayers’ money for saying what a marvel his missus is.

    Smith, the most ludicrous Home Secretary we’ve ever had, employs her husband on public money as her Parliamentary assistant. Yet his background is in civil engineering.

    Tom,

    Any guidance for how to get on the gravy train with all you boys and girls? Do you just have to say what Big Gordo, Saviour Of The World, tells you?

  28. richard

    I stand by my assertion that professional politicians make the worst leaders. Those who’ve held outside interests have proven to be the best leaders;

    Thatcher (Chemist + Barrister) = Good,
    Major (Accountant)= pretty good,
    Blair (Lawyer) = Reasonable at times
    Gordon (Political journalist) = Awful.

  29. Jimmy Sands

    I believe the last journalist in Number Ten was Churchill.

  30. ani

    Slightly disingenuous Richard?

    Thatcher yes, a clever woman.

    Major, don’t know for sure what he did. I thought he’d worked for the council before he went into politics, but I’ll stand correcting, and I can’t be bothered to look him up.

    Blair. Lawyer, but not for long. He went into politics early-ish, and spent most of his life working for the Labour party, leaving Cherie to earn the extra money.

    Brown. Political journalist? Rather more than that I think. I’ve searched it for you, and cut out the family and years of illness bits.
    Hardly a dumbo though I’m sure you’d like to portray him as such.

    Fine men, both Blair and Brown, and devoted to the Labour party from an early age, and neither used their politics as an add on to other business interests, purely for the kudos.

    Gordon Brown was educated first at Kirkcaldy West Primary School where he was selected for an experimental fast stream education programme, which took him two years early to Kirkcaldy High School for an academic hothouse education He was accepted by the University of Edinburgh to study history at the age of only 16. Brown graduated from Edinburgh with First Class Honours MA in 1972, and stayed on to complete his PhD (which he gained in 1982), titled The Labour Party and Political Change in Scotland 1918-29.[19]
    In 1972, while still a student and with strong connections with the previous Dean of Admissions, Brown was elected Rector of the University of Edinburgh, the convener of the University Court.[20] Brown served as Rector until 1975, and he also edited The Red Paper on Scotland.[21] From 1976 to 1980 he was employed as a lecturer in Politics at Glasgow College of Technology From 1980 he worked as a journalist at Scottish Television, later serving as current affairs editor until his election to parliament in 1983.[22

  31. richard

    Churchill’s journalism consisted mostly of war correspondence for the Times and most of that was written while he was on active service in the British Army.

    That’s a pretty far cry from working as ‘features editor’ for the Dagenham Evening Post…

  32. Jimmy Sands

    The only post war PMs to rise from the ranks of the unemployed were Eden and Home. I think pretty much everyone else managed to hold down a job of some description.

  33. Tacitus

    Late, but important

    “Apparently Quick got on the Tories’ bad side by sharing the view of the majority of the British public that proposals to introduce 42 days’ detention”

    None of Quick’s business. His job is to enforce the law, not make it. Whilst it may be valid that he is consulted, coppers should learn to mind their own business.

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