SURPRISED there’s not been more of an (over-) reaction to this nonsense.
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Tagged as paranoia
By implying that people who get upset about the erosion of civil liberties are part of the “green ink” brigade, you have yet again shown the NeuLab mindset in all it’s moribund, stinking glory.
And yet, you will say: “the innocent have nothing to worry about” or “it’s about the fight against terror”.
Try applying these excuses to the way your government operates and your voting record on suppressing inconvenient truths or the way that opposition MPs can be searched and detained under terror legislation or, what about poor Walter Wolfgang or the much abused Ripa powers?
Don’t you find it a we bit shocking that the Government believes it can delve into our private lives, just because it can?
I am a private citizen. I wish to remain one.
I’m sorry, I don’t understand? Putting it out to tender is nonsense, or thinking it’s a bad idea to put it out to tender is nonsense??
So who gets the commission for this?
I don’t think it’s possible to overreact to that Tom.
Just look at the sterling job done by a company called Capita who deal with TV Licencing. Google’s your friend on that one if you’re interested in just how disgraceful they are.
A private company being in charge of everyone’s information? Yeah, I forsee absolutely no abuses or slip up’s with that one. Certainly I don’t see “aggregate data” being sold to anyone who wants it, or the data being easily accessable to anyone able to get an almost automatic search warrant from an ill equipped magistrate.
In fact, as just a Trainee Solicitor, I can think of several arguments that would allow me access to that information in the course of litigation – something made all the easier by a private company being in charge. One of which is the same argument that would get me a person’s home address from their ISP after producing their computer IP address.
That’s what many people don’t understand. If the data is in the hands of the state then a completely different set of rules apply. If it’s in the hands of a private company then game on, and lawyers will have great delight in obtaining access to it in the course of litigation.
Right now that information doesn’t exist in any collated, searchable form and for all our sakes, that’s how it should stay.
In all fairness, people come up with these anti-terror laws, databases etc… with the best of intentions. However, it’s not a scalpel targetting just what you intended it to cover, it’s a wave covering everyone and everything, with lots of unintended and horrifically undesirable side effects.
This will not end well 😦
I can’t stand bishops – and cringe every time the Archbish of Canterbury opens his moaning mouth – however, present company excepted (i.e: you, Tom) those Bishops hit the G spot when they stated that this government is:
“Corrupt…and mesmerised by money”
Unbelievably, the government want to make motorists take tests in order to get hoards of older people off the road – woops, sorry, to establish that drivers are sufficiently compos mentis and medically fit to drive.
What a joke.
What we really need are corruption and compos mentisometers at the entrance to Parliament.
Why is your government so apparently intent on ensuring that, come the next election, you and just a few others, Tom, are all that remains of the PLP?
Wrinkled Weasel and John: very well said.
I have nothing to hide but my privacy, yet, as a free citizen, I cherish that privacy and will fight for it with all I have, just as millions of other British citizens would do. Without our freedom, privacy and rights of democratic citizenship we have nothing.
Our families made huge sacrifices, fought a just war and millions of them lost their lives for our democracy, freedom and civil liberties.
Your government will find that the people of Britain, whatever part of the world we are from, will not allow governments to take those hard won rights from us. Just as we will not for long allow government to give away to the EU hard won powers that belong solely to the people. A very high electoral price will paid by New Labour for this.
How disappointed many of you will be to find out that, contrary to “a huge database containing details of all telephone calls, emails and internet use,” as the BBC reports, there will be no details recorded by anyone.
Still, why should facts get in the way of a good old fashioned paranoid rant?
Since “government sources said the consultation had not begun and it was premature to speculate on what the outcome might be”, how can you be so certain that there will be no details recorded by anyone ?
Simon, I’m sure you didn’t set out deliberately to mislead anyone, but the full quote was: “On the issue of private sector involvement in the database, government sources said the consultation had not begun and it was premature to speculate on what the outcome might be.”
Just because I’m paranoid doesn’t mean the goverment isn’t silly to think of giving out any of the data it has collected on us to private companies.
Why not go the whole hog and sub-contract it to Satyam, I’m sure the goverment will claim they’re secure and trustworthy.
I see. So this leak to the BBC was just another of New Labour’s controlled, mass focus group exercises to test whether or not us great unwashed go ape about the government’s latest insane non-idea?
That of course begs the question of why the government are so horribly out of touch with us people that they need such exercises.
Time for Gordon and co to leave their privileged steel bubble and go native? Time to rough it…venture into the real world… pay full taxes…give up their golden pension packages…cut their elitist pay and perks…take 5 weeks holiday pa…shop at Tesco…cut out the freebies…stop the subsidies to the HOC restaurant…cut out the Duty Free perks…buy their own food and light bulbs…you know, that sort of thing?
Flo – I think you forgot to mention the absence of a referendum on the Lisbon treaty. Tut, tut…
I wonder how many of the green ink fretters realise that all these details are already held by private telecommunications companies many of which are owned by (gasp) foreigners.
It’s pleasing, though, to learn that David Davis and the LibDems have, according to those pinkos at the BBC, got something else to keep them awake at night.
When we’ve nothing to worry about we worry about nothing….
Are we meant to be outraged about the whole idea of a database, or that it will be outsourced?
Either way it will be hacked and data will be lost, as normal.
I don’t personally care whether the companies which may, or indeed may not, be involved are British or whatever.
I do care that, as the lawyer upthread warns, private ownership would make our data more vulnerable. And the money will inevitably be thrown down a massive hole in the ground.
Perhaps Government should try to make just one small database work, perhaps recording just some of their own internal data, to start to reassure us about their ability to do so. Right now every time I see a stock shot of a civil servant with a computer on the news I worry what they’re losing on our behalf, as we watch.
Tom Harris said:
It’s implicit in my third post (para Below), Tom. Tut,tut…
“Your government will find that the people of Britain, whatever part of the world we are from, will not allow governments to take those hard won rights from us. Just as we will not for long allow government to give away to the EU hard won powers that belong solely to the people. A very high electoral price will paid by New Labour for this.”
I just do not believe anything the government says. If there is lack of comment its because everyone has made up their minds and are waiting for a general election. Brown will not have the election in 2009 so we have to wait for 2010.
But whenever it is you will loose. Thats what matters.
I expect if anyone believed the government stood a chance of getting it passed into law everybody would be up “over”-reacting. But we know that there is a solid libertarian coalition between “Old” Labour backbenchers, the Liberals and (bizarely) the Tories, that will stop it. New Labour has now moved so far to the right, it has become an isolated rump. Even the Tories are to the left of New Labour on libertarian issues like this now, and this is creating a new consensus.
Credit where it’s due. The DVLA has an excellent database that allows you do almost everything online.
I taxed my car online without having to queue for hours in the post office.
And got a new photocard driving license sent out, that used my photo held in the Passport database.
Not sure who is responsible, or how much it cost, but the DVLA system should be held an an example for it’s usefulness if nothing else.
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Who lives in Nuneaton anyway?